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I'm George Galloway I am Steve topple
together we are topple Galloway
appearing live in Neath by the way s
26th of January over a hundred tickets
and still 10 days or more to go I think
as I said in before we started filming
I'm hardly a star of the stage and
screen George although will be as we
said last week I am Jesus yes Jesus
hasn't been in the South Wales Valley
for some days okay anyway if you want
tickets you can get them from the Gwynn
hall that's gwy and Gwynn Hall if you
want to see this double act life that's
the place to do it I'm appealing the
next night by the way in Birmingham at
the old Dredd theater that's Sunday the
27th anyway we are meeting here today in
the wake of the worst parliamentary
defeat ever suffered by any British
government on any matter at any time in
our history that's a red letter day by
any story yes I should also point out
that we're meeting before the result of
the no-confidence motion tabled by
Jeremy Corbyn immediately after the
result last night and so we're working
on the assumption yeah that she survives
that I think so yeah I mean all the all
the reports up to this point which is
around 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday the 16th
of January all the reports indicated the
Arg group will vote in support of the
governments that the DP will vote in
support of the government so something
absurd about that let's not just gloss
over that no more than 100 Tory MPs
voted no confidence in treasom a to lead
their own party but they're going to
vote for her to lead the country and a
hundred and eighteen of them rebelled on
her brexit deal that she spent well over
two years negotiating her flagship
policy was sunk by them just last
evening but this evening they're voting
for our two carry-ons a bit like a
on film it every week he'd make this
reference to where this gunman is like
carry on the feel is not the guy by yes
or yes carry on at your convenience if
you remember that what do look I mean it
is a ludicrous situation that these Tory
MPs can somehow feel dead for some party
loyalty morality interests as they can
vote in favor of this government when
they just voted against the issue which
Corbin has raised the problem with last
night as it were I let's not hold our
breath I think it will go in her way
that would be interesting to see if
there are any defectors well all it
needs you know the margin of error is
sourcing them that all it needs is a
couple of taxes to go the wrong way
around Westminster and get lost them the
one-way system or caught up in traffic I
mean it is actually that close there's
also these people do support her yeah
it's also a damning indictment though of
their view of jeremy corbyn's Labour
Party that's in my opinion that they are
so concerned that he might actually win
a general election they're able to push
all their views on to resume all their
views on the brexit deal to one sides to
so desperately stop the prospect and
going to the polls with him yeah I think
you put it the right way it's not that
they're desperate to avoid Jeremy Corbyn
being the prime minister because he
could only be the Prime Minister if he
won the general election yeah it's the
general election they're afraid in other
words they're afraid of their own people
yeah which of course puts them on a par
with quite a few governments but I was
on a talk sport with Alan Brazil this
morning talking about it Alan of course
football icon it's a he was a player for
it was his best days but he also played
at Celtic Manchester United Tottenham
Hotspur a very big football icon and
moreover you know undoubtedly the best
sports broadcaster in the
english-speaking world has been there 18
years so I really like Alan but he's
pale
when I put it to him that the bookmakers
were clear anyway that if there was a
general election Jeremy Corbyn would be
the Prime Minister his payoff line was
well I'm heading to easyJet to get out
of here compare my estimations but what
are actually is saying is they don't
want to give the British people the
chance to pick a government that can
undo this Gordian knot that is now
around our throat that that's not to mix
too many metaphors so I mean let me take
you back to this point it is
unbelievably been glossed over in the
mass media that as as a matter of
democratic principle in any other time
in any other government in any other
country the Prime Minister would already
have tendered her resignation and it's
just been accepted that while she can
carry on at your convenience if you have
effectively cleared every other domestic
matter off the table spent more than two
years on a flagship policy and it gets
sunk all guns blazing it goes down with
all hands the captain of the ship takes
responsibility it's astounding that most
of the mainstream journalists have just
glossed over that point but you were
telling me something about someone who
might be a weather vane in this on my
very own talk radio the small yes indeed
is it fascinating tweet from Miss Julia
Hartley Brewer who I'm not a was
Brutus we color well in the building
here over a really stage gossip I'm not
father politics and I mean I know her
vaguely well hadn't been on a show quite
a few times and she's not this all devil
people make out she is to be fair to her
um how about shaming a fascinating treat
last I seen she called for a general
election obviously on the basis that she
thinks the Conservative Party will win
but purely because
what you just stated that the fact that
Theresa mace made such an almighty mess
of this process that the only correct
way forward in any any functioning
democracy which we don't have then way
forward would be to put it to the public
and have a new leader installed to carry
on the process but I mean it's a damning
indictment Georgia of the state of
firstly democracy in this country that's
we we're not at that point all we should
have been at that point Munson yeah
anyway there is another option Steve
it's not as good and it doesn't solve
the problem in the same way but the
Tories could um could get rid of treasom
in and put someone else up as their
leader now again it's being said the on
paper that cannot happen because the ERG
perhaps shot their bolt earlier in
December already by having one already
making our own paper invulnerable until
next December has to be 12 months yeah
but as Bill Shankly the famous Liverpool
Football Club manager once said when a
journalist put to him on paper you
should beat this team and he said yes
but footballs not played on paper it's
played on grass and in the old days I
was just writing about this in my rt.com
column today in the old days there was
nothing so vulgar as votes or elections
in the Conservative Party in my own
lifetime the leader of the Conservative
Party emerged and they emerged from what
was called the magic circle of Tory
Grandy's and those days they had real
Grandy's or as I would say a bunch of
subscribers but the Grandy's would
effectively get together in a
smoke-filled room and they'd agree
amongst themselves who was a sound
enough chap to go to the palace and they
would then effectively say to the Queen
we we think you should pick this one and
quite often that was one
with much less of a claim than the
alternatives I don't want to take you
too far back in history but when Hal
Macmillan retired Rab Butler re B Butler
was the obvious standout and he thought
it was shoo-in for the leadership but
that Magic Circle didn't think he was
quite sound enough on one or two points
and so they recommended someone who was
in the House of Lords the earl of human
the 16th earl of humours Harold Wilson
always referred to him who then
renounced his peerage and became Sir
Alec douglas-home and became the Prime
Minister of Britain or without a vote
being cast yes so these Grandy's are not
what they were the men in grey suits are
no men and women and few of them were
gray suits I saw one in a pink suit
sitting behind Kenneth Clark yes the
times the caressed by Coco Vice a kind
of cloud didn't have a coronary yes so
they're not what they were but they must
still exist can I just say they don't go
in and say to Teresa may look oh girl
you've you've done your best but you
really can't continue that's a
fascinating point yes and exactly you
would think that as you say there are no
Grande's left it's made up of ex
corporate bankers and lawyers and PR
people and Oxbridge students now the
Conservative Party the service of the
hereditary vein of the way the
Conservative Party functions are things
this thing all but that's a fascinating
point because they still the 19 to 22
committee still holds power and you
would think I voted against those and
you would think that behind the scenes
pressure could be applied to her to have
to go I quit
whether she wants to or not well to
continue so Geoffrey House metaphor when
he devastatingly effectively began the
breaking down and overthrow of Margaret
Thatcher he said you know when the
captain of the team is sending people
out to bat having broken the bat and the
wickets and the bills before she goes to
bat cricket
impossible in those days the tourists
liked cricket in metaphors even more
than they do now but the point is how
can she now go back with any credibility
to the European Union and say right now
let's begin again if when the gap is
such that what could the EU offer rather
could close such a gap yeah I mean I
don't know giving giving her a crown
Charlemagne's hereditary Holy Roman
Empire in what what could they offer
Britain now or a deal that has been so
completely devastated absolutely I mean
the thing is the sort of noise is off
coming from the EU last night in
reaction to the vote was that the
negotiations will not be reopened that
they're not they're not willing to budge
very far as it were and it it's like it
seems impossible situation does it is
god yeah it can't be unraveled in any
way other than a general election that
is why the general election demand has
to remain front and foremost not a
diversion by Labour into the Waitrose
camp for a second referendum and so on
only a general election can break this
logjam but if the Tories went to Mrs May
and said your time's up
at least they would then have an
incentive an excuse an explanation for
then bringing forward legislation to
pause article 52 give some time for a
new Tory leader to be chosen and to get
to know the lie of the land the lie of
the continental land to meet the
European leaders and so on it would take
the immediate crisis off the table so
why don't they do that it's treason me
such a whizzing leader that that they're
ready to die on a hill for did you eat
do you think that is what's going to
happen because I'm going I was racking
my brains watching it all unfold last
night I've been
librarians on the way here this morning
to try and see what the outcome of this
debacle is and I got was not gonna win
no confidence vote it's not gonna happen
so therefore any standard mechanism to
force a general election will not happen
so really the only movement is going to
come from within the Conservative Party
itself well if I was them Steve this is
what I would do I would I'd get a new
leader I'd press a pause on article 50 I
try and renegotiate with the EU and if I
got nowhere specific as a matter of fact
I think they probably would get some
concessions with a new president I think
so and then I'd say I'm now going to
hold the general election to support my
policy my deal with the European Union
such as it might be and with a new prime
minister they'd undoubtedly have a
better chance than they would by going
into an election with treasom a although
she has already declared she will not
fight another election talk about a lame
duck so if I were in the Tory Party
that's what I'd be arguing today in the
Tea Room and there will be whispers of
sedition there must be because this
conundrum can only be broken in one of
two ways either you hold the general
election with the risk that your whole
party is broken and put out of power and
Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister of
Britain or we get rid of treasom a he's
no she's no exactly winston churchill
and she's not exactly Margaret Thatcher
I mean she is the lamest of ducks who
has made a series of blunders that have
brought us to this place again in my
piece of Smalling I Adam Bray those on
the first morning she should have on the
first day that she became leader she
should have reached out to Corbin and
attempted to involve him in the
negotiation and thus face the EU were
the United British front
she didn't do that instead she spent the
next period painting Corbin as an agent
of the Kremlin or the IRA or Hezbollah
or whatever else in fact been all of
those lesson or so Czechoslovakia you
know no she said last night after the
vote she was going to reach out to
senior parliamentarians except the
leader of the Opposition she's she
doesn't regard the leader of the
Opposition is senior you know from rich
old man night Ron man Frank field yes
the kind of senior parliamentarian she
has in mind so that was the first
blunder a second blunder whilst
strolling in her later hosen on her
Bavarian walking holiday the idea
occurred to her presumably having
imbibed her own propaganda that she
could call a new general election and
completely destroy this Russian stooge
Jeremy Corbyn so she called an election
she didn't need to have and threw away
the majority she then enjoyed so leave
it thus leaving her dependent on the
tassels of the orange sashes of the
democratic unionists and then you're
trying to negotiate a brexit where the
Northern Irish border becomes the border
between Britain and the EU but you're
already legally bound for that not to be
a border at all I mean this is the
classic irresistible force and an
immovable object these two things cannot
be squared she would like to ditch
Northern Ireland and I so wish she would
turn and then Northern Ireland could
reunite with Ireland but she cannot
because she needs the ten DUP votes so
that was the second blunder but the
third blunder was to go into may bot
mode and just endlessly repeat the same
mantras both over there and here make no
preparation for an audio break set so
the EU knew that there was never gonna
be a No Deal brexit and therefore had no
need to offer you anything to up
I did know I mean a leader who can
squeeze that many blunders of that
dimension into such a short period of
time why would you want to die on a hill
for her no absolutely and I think if
point five if you like in that which I
noticed last night and I think is being
underpaid by the press will not mention
by the press really at all it's that she
is now surrounded herself as well with
the cabinet of absolute buffoons because
she's run out of options with regards to
who she couldn't appoint as ministers
now after so many we don't know maybe
how do we know I've lost count of how
many the brexit secretary I couldn't
count them and we're political juniors I
have no idea she surrounded herself by
70 buffoons and other lame ducks if you
like it's also perfect storm there's a
fascinating that three minute segment on
politics live last night where Andrew
Neal was interviewing Matt Hancock who's
now the health secretary that's a good
interview it was brilliant well this is
the pond with Andrew Neal he's extremely
good at what he does he's just I like
him but that's another matter
I set off air in his interview in that
pankot health secretary and the news
broke that the EU was not willing to
open area negotiations and exposed that
may has surrounded herself with little
mini knee may BOTS who if they have to
go off-script all that or something
spontaneous happens they literally fall
apart because he literally collapsed
under the weight of Andrew Neal's
interviewing because something came up
which he was unexpected and he had no
answer to you literally watched him
crumble and there was he kept repeating
the same he kept it was crisis he kept
repeating the same line which had no
relevance was going off it wasn't and I
think that's I am are robot yeah
but and I think that's also crucial to
this she has got a cabinet of absolute
dullards and and that's another there's
a point in that labor should be sort of
accentuating oh she's friend by absolute
buffet yes because Ana normal again
animals say we look back at when your
father was active in politics
Halla Wilson was the prime minister
there was ten members of his cabinet who
could take over as prime minister in the
afternoon and most of them wanted to you
know Jenkins then crossed one Crossman
castle Callaghan I mean I could go on
leave me there were about 10 yeah in
Wilson's cabinet in this cabinet no one
is sir please the only alternative
leaders are ex cabinet yep so um you
know Andrea led some is the best again
so what we're witnessing and it's
abundantly clear as we talk is the
complete degeneration of the
Conservative Party once a Rolls Royce
now a Skoda from the 1980s low-rent
low-grade unable to cope with the
demands that are on it
yeah in which case it is a democratic
outrage that there is not now
irresistible force in the country for a
new general election which the very
least changes the arithmetic doesn't
necessarily improve the quality of your
government but it changes the arithmetic
and that's what's screaming out now for
a change but let's turn to jeremy
corbyn's dilemma
I think he's played a blinder by the way
in terms of the cards that were
available to him and surrounded as he is
by backstabbers and traitors he has in
just a couple of years broken the
treasom a Premiership even if it now
survives the day it's broken everyone
can see she's a dead woman walking
but now if he loses tonight as we assume
he will a hundred Labour MPs that is to
say 40% of this strength are going to
pivot according to Sky News as Beth
Rigby and begin a demand for a second
referendum now you and I both know 65%
of labour held constituencies voted
leave in the referendum 75% of the
marginal seats that they need to win to
form a government voted leave in the
referendum if Labour know becomes the
anti brexit party which is what a second
referendum party will look like and will
be perceived as Corbin's over no
absolutely
it's it I mean I agree with you he's
played a blinder was discussing this as
we were watching a pan out last night
was discussing this with Nicola and
everything has gone according to plan
for him and from very soberly on last
year up until the tail end of 2020 a
team when he was pushing back against
the force from the the Blair right
moderates in his party to call her the
confidence votes then he held firm
knowing that the right time the best
time as you say with the cards he has
would be after the votes on the actual
deal itself and it has gone according to
clan
but as you also say with your card
analogy it was never going to be perfect
anyway because there was always going to
be this chance of announcing play out
there to the confidence vote would be a
fairly null and void exercise that you
wouldn't win it but you're correct that
it's going to put labour in a right
pickle now not least as you say the
people's foe but not leastly contingent
of that Blair right moderate emunah
wing who will now go Corbin's failed
again Corbin's failed again we need a
new leader yeah or I'll leave maybe that
is another another possible outcome of
all this is the Tories become to parties
and labor becomes to party possibly yeah
I mean the thing is that the sort of
coals
for proportional representation the
complete change to our voting system in
this country growing the labor the
Corbin MacDonald etc of a gang made
noises off towards being in favor of
proportional representation if these two
main parties did splits the Comoros then
it would become yeah it would hang have
to happen if you like I will happen I
mean I've been banging on about this for
several years now we can't I mean
because I wanted so much you know one
shouldn't allow that to be the father of
expectation but it is definitely a
possible outcome so for example if
Corbin now disappoints them and says no
no I'm still not going for a so-called
people's vote I call it the Waitrose
vote if if Corbin says no mrs. Thatcher
had seven goals are no confidence motion
in James Callaghan before she eventually
brought him down and we're prepared to
go seventeen and if he says that what
are these 100 plus Labour MPs do do they
stage of coup which is one possibility
do they effectively overthrow Corbin as
the leader or at least of the
parliamentary Labour Party and say I now
choke omona speak for more MPs than
Jeremy Corbyn does therefore the speaker
must recognise me as the leader of the
Opposition that's one possibility
another is an organic split and the
launch of the long-awaited new Emunah
party good luck with that they've got
plenty of money but that is about all I
think so pickle is a pickle for everyone
yes and of course this is out and by the
way the clock ticking were and I leave
if nothing else happens we leave in
about 70 days and the biggest pickle in
all of this George really for me is as
well I mean firstly in spite of brexit
the the UK continues to trot along on
this demonic course which the Tories
have set us on
amazing that in the midst of all this
were still talking about interfering
with other people in the rest of the
world and they're sending warships
opening bases exactly we can't even pay
our collective electricity bill exactly
and if you see pike in the week
don't touch yes yes that kind of I mean
we should have bought and I was talking
about the cabinet actually yes so moving
or forgot about him I know Gavin Gavin
Williamson yeah hopeless seals moving on
as yes so Gavin Williamson this was
reported this week the Kathleen
Williamson maddest story
Gavin Williamson told a Ministry of
Defense meeting that one of the options
he had in mind with regards to these if
you like policing it was Joe Bravo our
Spanish in Spanish intrusion our waters
of speed off stop spy I mean if that's
not nonsense enough I'm not sure what is
but what if the solution Gilbert and
Sullivan one of the intrusions into our
waters by the Spanish would be arming
all the citizens of Gibraltar with
paintball guns and allowing them to
blast Spanish ships they're not making
that up
I'm not making you up it's the most
Latin particular thing I've said that
the general and yeah in the presence of
generals but he leaked it yeah yes
and which which is very telling in
itself though on a serious note I mean
that's quite you have an aircraft
carrier with no aircraft so why not
pimple no no exactly so the Spanish Navy
banished ships would be going around
carrying the hallmark of Britain yeah a
paintball on their hulls but of course
everything it's just it's just
absolutely mad it is again it's like how
it carry on film of course the other
more serious note on that was he was
talking about sending a British
destroyer into the area to monitor I
mean what it's the fact I don't know
just bacon I know I don't descent one to
the Azov sea into Russian what
although I predict that it will not
actually go into Russian water because I
predict the Russian would sink it if it
did he sent one to the South China Sea s
of course being in the name
he's got assets as they call them in the
Persian Gulf
again the clue being in the name and now
he's talking about sending one to Spain
our our EU partner our NATO ally and
this is the point because as we
discussed previously that they did may
as surrounded herself by absolute
dollard's in her cabinets so on the one
hand you have a situation where now
where Theresa May and the Conservative
government's are effectively reliant on
the EU to give way in somewhat to
sustain them as a governing party in
this country with the mess in one of the
main countries of the EU with splatter
guns like out something out Bugsy Malone
that would be better I'm alone yes tommy
gun or you can't be anything that wait
warnings up baby I'm hiring firing cream
pies so it was exactly so you're
threatening one of the main countries in
the EU while in the other hands
desperately needing them to come on
board to save your own skin
I mean you literally couldn't make this
up and as I said before it highlights
that sham of our democracy in this
country that we're even in this position
to start with those we I mean what we
didn't discuss that came out last week
was the fact that one Margaret little
would I believe had that Margaret
Margaret someone rather was charged with
and was found guilty of electoral fraud
um in famous and by the Electoral
Commission oh yes she was found guilty
of labor for two years suspended
sentence but let off and the judge said
that there was a culture of deception
within parts of the conservative party
but once again why this was of course
the culmination of this nearly two years
of investigation by the Electoral
Commission into dozens of this was the
shop ending in the
shop to Nigel Farage defeat yes on it
where you kept 126 council seats but on
the same day Nigel Farage MP rather I
remember thinking at the time if I was
for a I'd be I'd be going to court oh
yeah
and so and this was the end results of
not only Thane at South but also every
other investigation was having the
country that one lone woman who was
effectively just a sort of campaign
board if you like was the only person
the whole Conservative Party who was
found guilty of any form of electoral
fraud now my point being that as I say
this is the Sham of the democracy that
we live in in this country regardless
what you think of the rules surrounding
electoral spending they're effectively
the Conservatives did get away with
because they were found to have
overspent they can get away with
overspending and the 2015 general
election nothing is done about it and if
it hadn't been for that overspending we
might have been in a very different
position in that election
ed Miliband could one for we know I mean
I'm not saying it could have happened I
don't think it would have but the
proposition is there that Ed Miliband
could have won and we wouldn't even be
discussing brexit today how I mean this
is the absolute all those things are
overlooked I was on a wheel that the
case had finished never go that yes but
there are lots of things been overlooked
homeless people are dying of the cold in
doorways sheriff in Dundee my yesterday
refused the sentence a woman caught
nicking food from Marks and Spencer
while you still can
as they've just announced the rafters
rising he refused the sentence are
because he was persuaded that she was
stealing food to eat as being the only
alternative to starvation and that's
quite a Rubicon you know when a Berwick
judge says this woman is living on
ninety pounds a month that is impossible
therefore it ceases to be a crime in the
normal sense of the world to steal food
in order to avoid starving to death it's
quite oppressive in Britain in 2019
unemployment redundancies closures
what a mess we're in is and and this is
to be honest with you George this is my
overall issue with brexit while I'm
happy to I have to be honest well I'm
happy to sit and talk about it because
it is of course it's important rather
than oh it's not important but up until
this point everything has been in spite
of brexit and as I've repeatedly said I
think this whole decades even if you
take brexit out of the equation this
whole decade what has happened what has
gone on the left-wing response over the
course of the past eight years not just
looking at Corbin's response in a
nutshell but you have to look at the
less leftist one since 2010 history is
not going to view us kindly this decades
because I literally wrote an article on
Monday which no one picked up on and
everyone ignored it until I wrote it and
then suddenly all the mainstream press
decided to pick up on it and run with
this
that's from April 2013 to April 2018
21,000 claimants died waiting for the
DWP to make a decision over their
benefits this is not my figures systems
DWP's they had to admit this after
Madeleine moon Labour MP asked a
parliamentary question 21,000 people
died before the DWP made the decision
whether or not they were entitled to any
money whatsoever now of this nearly
5,000 of them at work answer patients
who the DWP literally left waiting for
money even though they had cancer and
yet the DWP thought well knowing we need
to you need to have an assessment we
need to check that you're actually ill
enough to warrant us giving you some
pennies 9,000 didn't even have their
illness registered with the DWP which my
interpretation was that the DWP a drag
their heels with their claims so long it
hadn't even got to that stage where they
were assessed to find out what the deed
thought was actually wrong with them and
this is in spite of brexit and I put out
a tweet last night and I stand by this
tweet though in 20 years time when poor
sick disabled homeless people are living
off soup kitchens in slums because we
have not dealt with the mess outside of
the brexit debacle we will look back at
this whole situation and wonder what the
hell we were getting ourselves and such
knots about because regardless of brexit
gorge regardless of Rex's what I call
the corporatist machine will carry on
regardless because it has kept only only
if we elect governments do or do that
but this is at least if we by the way
all of that misery that you just saw
eloquently described happened when we
were in the European yes
the point about brixi is it allows us to
be free to elect a different kind of
government to bring about a different
kind of society at this moment whilst
we're in the EU we are nailed nailed on
to a cross which says we must have a
market economy well I don't want a
market economy the market economy is
what led to all of that miseries that
you've just described we're being told
to wrap up so I've been George Galloway
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